It is far more difficult to find a Democrat position that actually helps the poor and middle class than it is to point out how their policies in every area hurt the poor and middle class. This message has to get out. If a presidential contender was able to get this message across, it would be the end of the Democrats. Read more at Conservatives on Fire
Questioning with Boldness ”Days of Rage coming to Wall Street this September” has done an outstanding piece on what is headed our way. Recall Al Gore and his call to arms? That we needed our own Arab Spring? I had done a number of posts earlier on the names and faces of those who were behind the unrest in the Middle East. Read more at Bunkerville
Diary of a Mad Conservative 
August 13th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Thanks as well for the link and picking up our posts: Questioning for taking on the task of warning of things to come. Great blog…added it to my roll and look forward to your posts.
August 13th, 2011 at 5:21 PM
Well, it’s not a great blog – far from as good as yours is and many other of my friends here. But thanks for adding me to yours!
I simply do not suffer fools well and lose patience and time for arguing. I usually don’t even approve posts from people who want to argue with me. If I wanted arguments, I would return to the old Bulletin Board that I used to post at with all the anti-American Americans and Europeans. I started this blog FOR ME and I decide who and when I want to argue with someone. LOL
That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!
I’m just glad to have found you via Jim’s blog. Thanks again for the post!
Roxy
August 13th, 2011 at 1:23 PM
I would like to make a point that many of us were in the front calling for the government not to bail anyone out. That is not conservative. It was liberal Republicans and liberal Democrats that chose to do that. Why do you think the Tea Party was crying so loud? Do you think we wanted the government to throw money away? By the way Roxy, keep up the good work, some people refuse to listen no matter how good your arguments are. They have their talking points and can’t think past them!
August 13th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
absolutely True! I don’t know anyone who was in favor of bailing out these giant corporations, insurance companies and banks.
But let’s talk about the housing market and why it has gone bust. How about the community reinvestment act (under democrat presidents) and the new edict from Obama forcing banks to AGAIN make bad loans.
Let’s talk about the nationalization of car companies. And the pathetic 6% of Obama’s nearly 1 trillion $ stimulus package that went to roads and infrastructure. Oh– those shovel ready jobs weren’t so shovel ready after all — ha.ha.ha. I know millions of out of work people were chuckling that one too.
How about the corporate tax rates that are the highest in the free or otherwise world? Is it any wonder that their money is kept off shore? The instability of the economy right now is one major reason that many are holding on to their money and not hiring. I know that if I were still in business, I would not be hiring, and one reason is what ObamaCare is going to do businesses.
I’ve got this bird problem and they won’t let me shoot them – stupid city ordnance that you can’t discharge a firearm in city limits or something like that – LOL. But the pigeons are perching on my window sill and over my door and shitting everywhere!!! Sorry to be so frank but it’s true. I come home at night and it’s like The Birds in front of my house, for cryin’ out loud!!!
I did the “green” thing and bought a plastic owl – ha! Don’t waste your money – they don’t work! So I’m going outside to hopefully solve this problem once and for all. And no, it does not involve anything harmful like poisoning them or shooting them. Although I’m sure the world would not miss a few less stinking pigeons.
Thanks Loopy for your post! Love ya!
August 13th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
I’m truly sorry to hear that. Thank you for your time.
And forgive me if I don’t believe you could refute my arguments. This pattern has emerged each and every time I’ve tried to engage Right Wing people in reasonable discussion. Every time I make points they don’t like they call me names and run away.
I guess our country really is doomed.
August 13th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
I never called you a name. Dont start your alinksy bullshit here.
August 13th, 2011 at 1:13 PM
With people who think like you do and are voting – yes our country is doomed.
You will never get how the free market works and no matter how many paragraphs I write to dispute your points, you will find another erroneous argument to come back with. This is like 2 kids in the back seat of the family car – it’s your fault – no it’s yours! I’m not playing that game with you. And I’m not in the mood to google search all the points (as you have) to refute your points. My time is more valuable than that.
Why don’t you read a few books? How about reading Millton Freidman? You’d be surprised what you can learn about the free market from him.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
I read both conservative and democrat blogs and each share a common purpose, simply to divide people over a philosophy of right or left as if it was that simple. The majority of people accept what they hear from their political parties as gospel and allow the wedge to become deeper and the divide to become larger between Americans.
It is this divide and constant bickering between the democrats and conservatives that truly means nothing at the end of the day when the taxman comes to collect; we each must pay regardless of political affiliation.
Both the republicans and democrats in the past forty years have done more to harm the American way of life than any foreign government and terrorist group could ever imagine inflicting on the USA. Each political party owns responsibility for the loss of industry and exporting jobs to third world countries in the name of profit.
The truth is 48 million Americans require the assistance of food stamps to subsist upon and two dollars out of every ten dollars the government spends is directed towards impoverished Americans whose way of life disappeared because of poor government oversight shared by a joint republican and democrat committee.
Both parties are responsible for the mess this Nation is in spending trillions on wars none of us want while asking the taxpaying citizens of America to bailout the very people responsible for this mess and rewarding corporation’s with tax breaks while their profits remain outside of the USA to avoid taxes.
At the end of the day it just comes down to this, no right or left politics,
Our inner strengths, experiences, and truths cannot be lost, destroyed, or taken away. Every person has an inborn worth and can contribute to the human community. We all can treat one another with dignity and respect, provide opportunities to grow toward our fullest lives and help one another discover and develop our unique gifts. We each deserve this and we all can extend it to others.
August 13th, 2011 at 1:03 PM
Yup.
August 13th, 2011 at 1:04 PM
I’m feeling really generous today and have approved posts by 2 people who I do not agree with and refuse to carry an argument with. Your’s is one of them.
Thanks for stopping by but again, this is post and the other one is not worth my valuable time or energy to refute.
Don’t bother coming back. I’m in no mood anymore for being nice and putting up with people who think they know what I believe.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:00 AM
Thank you very much for the kind words, roxannadanna. Sometimes you come across something and the article just writes itself and that is what happened with mine. I only saw the dots fall into place because of posts that have come from Bunkerville in the past. We’re all in this together and as long as we stick together and keep learning from each other, we’ll disassemble the monstrosity that we face.
Thank you for again the mention. I apologize for just now coming to your blog. I plan on sticking around for a while and checking it out. I have seen your comments around though and find myself nodding in agreement all the time. Keep ringing the bell…. Eventually they will hear us!
August 13th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
We’re all in this together, indeed, my friend.
And getting the word out is the name of the game!
Thanks for your great blog and thanks for stopping by!
Roxy
August 13th, 2011 at 9:49 AM
There’s no doubt the Democrats are spineless and weasel-like, but do you actually support Republican efforts to continue gutting the lifesavings of working class Americans? Have you truly bought into the “trickle down” theory that hasn’t produce ANY results in real wages since 1980?
Tax breaks for the rich simply do not result in job creation, period. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please enlighten me.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Let me put this to you: do you really believe that taxing the job creators does not result in higher prices for you, me and all consumers?
Do you really believe that corporations and the so-called “wealthy” job creators pay those increased taxes?
I was a small business owner and I can tell you that the price of the product goes up when the demands for more dollars from the government come along. And in addition to the price of the product rising (which is paid by the consumer, not the producer) the ability of the so-called “wealthy” job creator to improve his business, i.e. buy new equipment, hire more people, provide bonuses to the current employees or even give them raises, is diminished.
I have a treasure trove of “evidence to the contrary.” I lived it, pal.
Have you ever owned your own business? Have you ever provided an income for up to 60 families? I’m guessing not because the people who want to keep taxing the “millionaires and billionaires” have never been in the position of helping to put food on someone else’s table. I have been.
And if you are one of those “millionaires and billionaires” who WANT to pay more taxes – knock yourself out! Send the IRS a check! They’ll be glad to take your money. Or better yet, in the “for” line on the check, write my name so you can contribute to my tax debt.
Now you give me evidence that the Republicans are “gutting” anyone’s life savings. This is nothing more than liberal talking points. And I call bullshit on it.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
¡ Bien hecho !
Y gracias por el vinculo.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
I am very proud to call you my friend.
That response was outstanding !
Givem’ hell Roxy. 🙂
August 13th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Great job, Roxy! You’re right on the money!
August 13th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Thank you for your reply. I will attempt to address each of your points.
“Do you really believe that taxing the job creators does not result in higher prices for you, me and all consumers?”
What you or I “believe” is irrelevant. The job creators are not creating jobs, and if people don’t have jobs, they don’t have money, and if they don’t have money, it doesn’t matter how high prices are since they can’t afford to buy anything anyway. It has been estimated that the very rich are currently sitting on about $46 trillion, but they simply have not invested in American job creation or infrastructure.
“Do you really believe that corporations and the so-called “wealthy” job creators pay those increased taxes?”
General Electric, Exxon/Mobil, Bank of America, and seven other large corporations paid ZERO Federal income tax last year. No, there is no evidence that those corporations paid taxes. In fact, we little folk subsidized several of them with our tax dollars, despite their record profits.
“I was a small business owner and I can tell you that the price of the product goes up when the demands for more dollars from the government come along. And in addition to the price of the product rising (which is paid by the consumer, not the producer) the ability of the so-called “wealthy” job creator to improve his business, i.e. buy new equipment, hire more people, provide bonuses to the current employees or even give them raises, is diminished.”
Excellent points. The cost of business is clearly passed along to the consumer almost always. You and other small-to-medium business owners, however, are small potatoes compared to the folks mentioned in the previous paragraph, so our problems are not theirs. Just look at BP. They lost billions despoiling the Gulf of Mexico, and they’re still doing quite well, thank you very much. Small business owners are merely trying to stay afloat. Small business owners do NOT make huge profits. They cannot count on government subsidies for their business expenses. You are talking apples and oranges.
“I have a treasure trove of “evidence to the contrary.” I lived it, pal.”
I have no doubt you did. You just need to open that treasure trove a bit wider, because so far you have not proven your point.
“Have you ever owned your own business? Have you ever provided an income for up to 60 families?”
No. I’m sure it’s a tremendous responsibility. Why did you stop?
“I’m guessing not because the people who want to keep taxing the “millionaires and billionaires” have never been in the position of helping to put food on someone else’s table.”
Again, pleases explain the connection between a business that supports 60 families and one that makes billions of dollars of profits each quarter and pays no taxes. Maybe I’ve missed something.
“And if you are one of those “millionaires and billionaires” who WANT to pay more taxes – knock yourself out! Send the IRS a check! They’ll be glad to take your money. Or better yet, in the “for” line on the check, write my name so you can contribute to my tax debt.”
Unfortunately, there is very little evidence that American corporate leaders are patriotic enough to do what you suggest. They twist themselves into knots shielding their billions in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes, but you’re right, the very idea that they’d freely chip in to help when their country is in need is indeed laughable.
“Now you give me evidence that the Republicans are “gutting” anyone’s life savings. This is nothing more than liberal talking points. And I call bullshit on it.”
Glad to. Some examples:
Silverado Trading and Loan bailout. We paid for it.
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/
Bush Treasury Secretary John W. Snow “forgot” that people needed money to pay for their mortgages.
http://consumerist.com/2008/12/former-treasury-secretary-says-he-forgot-that-people-had-to-afford-their-house.html
Bush and the Goldman-Sachs connection
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/goldman-sachs-marches-on-with-bushs-candidate-for-world-bank-451094.html
And please don’t think I’m supporting Democratic Party banksterism by pointing out the crimes of the Bush Administration. Geitner and Obama are shills for Wall Street, no doubt about it, Clinton started NAFTA and helped destroy unions, so I have no use for them, either.
I just wish those of us down here on the lower rungs of the economic ladder could find a way to dispense with all this two-party crapola and realize the need to start working together. Keep our differences of opinion; they’re healthy, but for God’s sake if we keep fighting each other about philosophical differences we’re merely sealing our own collective bankruptcy.
August 13th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
I could argue every point you made and would love to but you are not worth my time. Read my “about” page. I’ve said it before – I’m not here to argue with people who don’t agree with me. You don’t… so scram! No one has made you read my blog and no one is making you stay here.
You’re points were well thought out, although erroneous and I won’t repeat myself all over again. We do not agree and will not agree and I will not change your mind nor you mine.
So, thanks again and See Ya!
Roxanne