Forget the birth certificate. Is Obama a ‘natural born’ citizen or not?

In Aaron Klein’s book The Manchurian President, in the chapter entitled “Eligibility” he makes a good case regarding Obama’s citizenship status.

What is a natural born citizen? The Constitution never really defines that and it’s not clearly defined in the Federalist Papers, either. Does natural born mean that you have to be born on American soil? Or does it mean that you have to be born of parents who are American citizens?

You might remember the to-do made over McCain’s birth in Panama… on an American naval base. It was such a big deal that the Senate passed a resolution on April 30, 2008 that stated John Sidney McCain III, being “born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1938 … is a ‘natural born citizen’ under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution…”

(Why such a resolution was required of a great war hero and nothing about Obama’s circumstances was ever addressed by Congress, is an entirely other topic.)

I believe that ‘natural born’ means being born to AMERICAN CITIZENS – two American citizens. I think the Senate believed that, too if you read their resolution for McCain, as I do.

When Obama was born, his father, or the man  the claims as his father, was Kenyan. In 1961, the year of Obama’s birth, Kenya was part of the British Crown. Obviously, Obama, Sr. was not an American citizen.  And Obama, nor anyone in his circle dispute that fact. But because the definition of ‘natural born’ is so obscure and not clearly defined in the Constitution, and because as Klein and I both admit, we are not Constitutional lawyers, there probably won’t be any case brought against this.

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22 responses to “Forget the birth certificate. Is Obama a ‘natural born’ citizen or not?

  • Tom

    You folks seem to be having a bit of struggle with ol’ Article II Sec1 Cl5
    Let’s see if I can be of some assistance…
    How about we start with what an Art II natural born citizen ISN’T?:
    Any person BORN, owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty or any person NOT subject to the COMPLETE jurisdiction of the Unites States government AT BIRTH
    In other words if any ONE /other can rightfully in accordance with the natural law; stake a claim to the newborn then that individual is not an Art II natural born citizen
    Now, how do y’all feel B.O. Jr “stacks up”?

  • Granite1

    The Wall Street Journal, which has no federal license to be pulled and which is under Rupert Murdoch, who hates Obama and all liberals, says:

    “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”

    All US citizens who were born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens. The only kind of a US citizen who is not a Natural Born Citizen is a naturalized citizen. Even the US-born children of foreigners, even the US-born children of illegal aliens are Natural Born Citizens.

    Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

    Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.

    Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

    Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.

    Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):

    The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.

    • roxannadanna

      I edited this comment after I posted it and bolded what I added.

      Correct, newspaper don’t have federal licenses… YET. Despite your leftists views and wishes, we still have freedom of the press in America.

      This is the last post from you on this topic that I will accept. I have stated before and will state again, I am not going to argue with liberals. I am not interested in your opinions. If I were interested in your views or the views of your comrades, I know very well how to access them; I can google and I understand how to find websites on the ‘net. And I have access to MSNBC, if I wanted to hear this crap.

      You are not going to change my mind. I am not going to change yours. This is a waste of my precious time.

      So again, this is the last post of yours that I will publish.

      • steve

        Roxy, I hope Granite1 wasn’t referring to my comment about Fox, etc. under threat of having their BROADCAST licenses pulled.
        I don’t think I mentioned anything about print news.
        I’ll just adhere to the saying “comfort the feebleminded” with our friend Granite1.

        • roxannadanna

          I’ve been fair to him and given him 2 opportunities to air his views. He’s done that well, by the way, even though I will never agree with him.

          You will notice that these folks never address other posts that relate to Obama’s competence or his poor decision making. They only want to argue his eligibility. They can’t argue his poor performance as president, because they can’t. LOL And when they do try to argue with you, it’s all about character assassination and blame Bush. They can’t argue points or debate his actions with you. All they can do is mock Palin and tear into her character.

          You’re right, they are feebleminded.

  • roxannadanna

    Thank you for your post. You’ve made some great points and I can’t really add anything.

    All I know is that November can’t come soon enough and November 2012 REALLY can’t!

  • Amauri

    It´s hard to be a conservative these days, when you know that Obama´s socialism is the same way followed by Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao, except that the old socialism was just more evolved.

    But having consciousness about how these policies are wining the minds of so many americans is just devastating.

    • roxannadanna

      There are a lot of days that I feel just like you do. But I think the winning part is over. There are still many who think they backed the right horse in the last election but more and more, I think there are a lot of people waking up and realizing that this guy is dangerous. And I don’t believe that he’s winning over any new people.

      He will always have his adoring followers, those who will never see him as dangerous and those hardcore believers in the communist doctrine he does.

      But there are more of us. We’re just quieter and more polite about our dissent. 😉

  • 1dragon

    Found this and had to add it……………..

    The definition of natural born citizen is one who is born on US soil from parents who are BOTH citizens. This definition has been upheld by four different Supreme Court cases. Obama’s father was a British subject of Kenya and never an American citizen. Even if Obama WAS born in Hawaii, he is, at most, a dual citizen which is NOT allowed!

    This is NOT a “birther” conspiracy, this is a legal Constitutional issue. It doesn’t matter where Obama was born, that is a distraction. Obama never was and never will be a natural born citizen – he is illegally holding office and MUST be removed. Once he’s removed, all his appointments and czars will also be removed along with everyone else shown to be complicit (Pelosi et al) in this biggest fraud in American history. Everything Obama has signed will be null and void – our Constitution will be protected and defended, our country will be saved!

    • roxannadanna

      I agree with you to the point where you say that those children HAVE to be born on American soil. Children born to military who are stationed overseas or others, are not born on American soil. But they are American citizens due to the fact that they are born of TWO American citizens. They must register the birth with an embassy within a certain number of days. You know all this though, I’m sure. But others may not.

      I know the court cases you mentioned in your post.

      And I agree with you: there is simply NO WAY that he can be considered a NBC!

  • 1dragon

    The birth Cert issue is not dead but it will not be heard due to, well shall we say RIOT issues. But Barry is not a NBC, Supreme Court Cases have stated the fact that in order to be a NBC both parents must be American Citizens. Libs will say this is false and only need one, but you also need to understand that Barry’s mother was a minor at the time of birth. Reguardless though, citizenship comes from the father. They will try to get him on other issues and when the truth does come out, well we will all be dead. The truth won’t come out for a 100 years or so. Great Post though, I will continue to post articles like this to refresh the minds of all about who he really is.

  • Amauri

    If senator Mccain was considered to be natural born without being born on American soil, a true definition of natural born has to be the two parents citizenship.

    Because Mccain was not even born on an american Embassy, which would be part of american soil.

    He was born on a military base overseas, and that cannot be american soil.

    • roxannadanna

      I agree with this and I think that Congress needs to take this issue up. Illegal immigrants cross the border to give birth and their children are automatically granted citizenship. That is wrong and it’s an abuse of the law.

      2 American citizens MUST be required to grant a newborn citizenship and if people read the resolution that congress passed to make sure that McCain was a citizen, it expressly states “born to American citizens.” If that is the requirements granted to McCain in 2008, that should be the requirements for everyone else.

  • Granite1

    YOu said: “I believe that ‘natural born’ means being born to AMERICAN CITIZENS – two American citizens.”

    You believe wrong. That is why Obama’s election was confirmed unanimously by the US Congress including all 100 members of the Senate (535 in all). Not one single member voted against the confirmation.

    The reason that there was no question that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen is that there is legal proof that he was born in Hawaii, and birth in the USA is sufficient. All US citizens who were born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens. The only kind of a US citizen who is not a Natural Born Citizen is a naturalized citizen, and they are the only kind of US citizen who is not eligible if they meet the age and residence requirements.

    That is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:

    Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

    “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

    Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

    “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

    • roxannadanna

      Thanks for your opinion but you are wrong.

      I could site several court cases that bolster my opinion but that would be a waste of my time. The quotes you provided do not change my mind anymore than the cases I could site would change yours.

      Have a great day!

      • steve

        Looks like you dug up a misguided soul Roxy. I noticed the same tired blather. The evidence of fraud is overwhelming, and you’re right, you’d be wasting your time.

        Here’s a tid-bit I posted a while back:

        http://stevex09.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/kenyan-parliament.jpg?w=700&h=932

        read the second paragraph of the Kenyan document about half way down.
        Of course this document was scrubbed from the Kenyan Parliament’s minutes. I just happened to save it before they did that. I still have it.

        • roxannadanna

          What an excellent find! Thank you for posting that link, Steve.

          I hope that person does not come back to post here because as I say on my “about” page, I am not interested in arguing with anyone. I’ve got my opinions and no one is likely to change them. I am not interested in changing his/her mind, either. People like that are entrenched in their ways (as am I) and nothing I could say would dig them out. It’s the way of the world. lol

  • samhenry

    I’m glad you are reading that book for me, R. LOL This is fascinating and also Steve’s input.

    It was all over for me when it came out that his social security number was issued in Connecticut.

    • roxannadanna

      I’ve never been part of the people who want the birth certificate made public, although I believe they have a good case. The left will ridicule and mock them as nutcases (as they have been doing) and that does nothing to further our real cause: getting rid of them in public office. I want them out period. And using anything that they can to make us look looney, will not help that cause.

      Once I read Klein’s comments on ‘natural born’ status, I’m sold. Obama is NOT natural born and therefore, not legitimate.

      However, because no one will take this on, no one in the media or Congress or the courts, I will just have to accept what is and do everything I can to make sure that in 2012, Obama is out of office.

  • steve

    There won’t be any lawsuit allowed to proceed. Obama’s fraud is obvious and the cover up is obvious. No one even on the so called “conservative” news outlets, such as Fox, etc. will even mention it. They’ve been threatened with having their broadcast license pulled at the mention of Obama’s birth records. Plus, Fox doesn’t want the flow of Saudi $ to stop. This is why I have major problems with Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, etc. They have no ‘cods’. They would rather mock so called “birthers”, knowing Obama is a fraud, than risk losing their cushy jobs. They are nothing but CINOs. Or, to use a term I recently came across; ‘after birthers’. 😉

    • Chester

      RE: There won’t be any lawsuit allowed to proceed …. fraud is obvious

      You are right. There are two issues, the BC and the NBC. Just using common sense why would anyone protect the BC with tooth and nail, not to mention big bucks, if there is nothing to hide? Congress knows this, the media knows this. Everyone over 12 with a minimal amount of common sense knows this, including all the judges.

      The NBC issue is more complicated because SCOTUS keeps avoiding defining it. (The interpretation of the law is the job of the Judicial Branch, not Congress’). However, this issue is not rocket science. SCOTUS knows, as well as all judges who have been involved know, that the only logical conclusion is 2 US citizen parents at the time of birth would be the definition if defined honestly.

      So why is the GOP silent? Because the GOP is incompetent.

      The media, more powerful than both parties together, continue to ignore the nbc story, which is potentially much larger than Watergate. The Tea Party factions will not address it. It is treated as if it were an untouchable race question, not a constitutional question.

      The Judicial Branch, who took oaths to protect the constitution, use the arbitrary and flexible Standing Doctrine not to rule on merit, thereby making the very constitution they are supposed to protect, unenforceable. Alen Keyes calls that “dereliction of duty”.

      The New Jersey Supreme Court just forced Judge Ken Del Vecchio, a lower level judge, to resign for making a satirical movie because the protagonist resembles Mr. Transparency.

      Good-by Constitution. Good-by free speech. Hello, USABR, United States of American Banana Republics.

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